{"id":6113,"date":"2026-05-11T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2026-05-11T16:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/matroidunion.org\/?p=6113"},"modified":"2026-05-11T11:55:16","modified_gmt":"2026-05-11T15:55:16","slug":"representability-over-infinite-fields","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/matroidunion.org\/?p=6113","title":{"rendered":"Representability over infinite fields"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>While a there have been remarkable techniques and discoveries for representability over finite fields (see [GGW14; W05] for a selection), not much has been said about representability over infinite fields &#8212; except perhaps how badly our existing techniques fail. This blogpost will cover some of these failures and some hopeful conjectures (or future pathologies).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We use $\\mathcal{M}(\\mathbb{F})$ to denote the matroids representable over a field $\\mathbb{F}$.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Excluded minors<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>For finite fields, we of course have the following result announced by Geelen, Gerards, and Whittle:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Theorem (Geelen, Gerards, Whittle [GGW14]):<\/strong> <em>For each finite field $\\mathbb{F}$, there are finitely many excluded minors for $\\mathcal{M}(\\mathbb{F})$.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This has many useful consequences. For each finite field $\\mathbb{F}$, there is a constant time certificate when a matroid is not $\\mathbb{F}$-representable and there is a finite second-order logical sentence for $\\mathbb{F}$-representability using a predicate for independence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In contrast, Mayhew, Newman, and Whittle showed that [MNW09]:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Theorem (Mayhew, Newman, Whittle [MNW09]): <\/strong><em>For each infinite field $\\mathbb{F}$, each element of $\\mathcal{M}(\\mathbb{F})$ is a minor of an excluded minor for $\\mathcal{M}(\\mathbb{F})$.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-left\">In essence, the set of excluded minors for $\\mathcal{M}(\\mathbb{F})$ is as wild as $\\mathcal{M}(\\mathbb{F})$ itself. When the set of excluded minors for a class $\\mathcal{C}$ contain $\\mathcal{C}$ in its downwards-closure like this, we say that $\\mathcal{C}$ is <em>swamped<\/em>. Another way in which the set of excluded minors for a class can be seen as &#8220;worse&#8221; then the class itself is when they dominate in quantity on a given number of elements. Taking $e_n$ to be the number of non-isomorphic excluded minors for $\\mathcal{C}$ on at most $n$ elements and $c_n$ to be the number of non-isomorphic members of $\\mathcal{C}$ on at most $n$ elements, we say that $\\mathcal{C}$ is <em>fractal<\/em> when $\\lim_{n\\to\\infty}\\frac{e_n}{c_n}=\\infty$. Mayhew, Newman, and Whittle show that for any integer $k\\geq 3$, the class $\\mathcal{C}$ of sparse paving matroids with at most $k$ circuit-hyperplanes is fractal [MNW2]. However, they leave the following open:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Problem:<\/strong><em> For each infinite field $\\mathbb{F}$, is the class $\\mathcal{M}(\\mathbb{F})$ is fractal?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One of the most significant recent results in matroid representability theory is due to Nelson:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Theorem (Nelson [N18]):<\/strong> <em>For $n\\geq 12$, there are at most $2^{n^3\/4}$ representable matroids on ground set $[n]$.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Combining this with Knuth&#8217;s upper bound ($2^{2^n\/\\text{poly}(n)}$) on the number of matroids on $[n]$, it gives us that asymptotically almost all matroids are non-representable. Along with this result, Nelson also gave one of the most significant conjectures in matroid representation theory:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Conjecture:<\/strong>\u00a0<em>Taking $d(n)=(\\lfloor\\frac{n}{2}\\rfloor-1)(\\lceil\\frac{n}{2}\\rceil-1)$, we have the following:<\/em><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>Asymptotically almost all representable matroids on $[n]$ have rank in $\\{\\lfloor\\frac{n}{2}\\rfloor,\\lceil\\frac{n}{2}\\rceil\\}$ and has exactly $d(n)-1$ nonbases.<\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Asymptotically almost all matroids on $[n]$ with rank in $\\{\\lfloor\\frac{n}{2}\\rfloor,\\lceil\\frac{n}{2}\\rceil\\}$ and exactly $d(n)-1$ nonbases are representable.<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The value $d(n)-1$, is the maximum number of non-bases that can exist without enforcing a non-trivial algebraic relation and by only having points placed &#8220;generically&#8221;.<br>The problem presented above is also interesting under the assumption that Nelson&#8217;s conjecture holds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Natural Classes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Representability over any field is closed under minors and direct sums. However, a significant difference between finite and infinite fields is that with infinite fields we can place points in &#8220;general position&#8221;; matroid representability over an infinite field is closed under principal extension (i.e. freely placing an element into a flat). In general, we we say a class is <em>natural<\/em>, when it contains $U_{1,1}$ and is closed under the following: isomorphism, minors, direct sums, and principal extensions. It is the freedom of principal extension that seems to make natural classes wild. Besides, $\\mathcal{M}(\\mathbb{F})$ for $\\mathbb{F}$ infinite, other natural classes include algebraic matroids over a given field, orientable matroids, and arbitrary intersections of natural classes. Also of particular note, is the class of Gammoids (matroids given by a linkage function in a directed graph), the smallest natural class. It is known that all of the above classes are swamped.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Problem:<\/strong> <em>Are all proper natural classes swamped?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Problem:<\/strong> <em>Are all proper natural classes fractal? Or are Gammoids swamped but not fragile<\/em>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Problem:<\/strong>\u00a0<em>Are asymptotically almost all representable matroids\u00a0<\/em><i>gammoids?<\/i><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Efficient Discription<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>In fact it is open whether or not we have compact, efficient discription of matroids representable over a fixed infinite field. Considering the case of complex representable matroids:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Problem:<\/strong>&nbsp;<em>Is there an algorithm $\\mathcal{A}$ and polynomials $s$ and $t$, so that given a complex representable matroid $M=(E,r)$ there is a binary string description $\\mathbf{D}_M$ (encoding $M$ in whatever which way), so that:<br><\/em><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>$\\mathbf{D}_M$ has length at most $s(|E|)$, and<\/li>\n<li>for any $X\\subseteq E$, when $\\mathcal{A}$ is given $(\\mathcal{D}_M,X)$, it computes $r(X)$ in time at most $t(|E|)$.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>For example, it would be sufficient to show that each complex representable matroid $M=(E,r)$ is representable by a matrix whose entries are algebraic with minimal polynomials whose degrees and coefficients are bounded by a polynomial in $|E|$. The best known bound on the degree is $2^{2^{2|E|^2}}$ given by Bell, Funk, Kim, and Mayhew [BFKW20]. Note that if $\\mathbf{D}_M$ is a naive encoding of $r:2^E\\to \\mathbb{Z}$ (say as its list of outputs), then the running time $t$ is indeed polynomial, but the size $s$ is exponential. Alternatively, we can make the size $s$ polynomial with an enumeration of the complex representable matroids (but then $\\mathcal{A}$ would certainly not run in polynomial time as it would have to reconstruct all prior matroids, and check each of these exponentially many rank evaluations). However, note that with a positive resolution to Nelson&#8217;s conjecture, we would be able to resolve this problem for almost all representable matroids by simply providing the size, rank, and nonbases.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I thank Geoff Whittle and Jim Geelen for helpful discussion on this post.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<pre>References<\/pre>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1093\/qmathj\/haaa001\">[BFKW20]<\/a> B. Jason, F. Daryl, B. D. Kim, D. Mayhew, Effective Versions of Two Theorems of RADO,&nbsp;<em>Quarterly J. Math.<\/em> 71 (2020), 599\u2013618.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ams.org\/notices\/201407\/rnoti-p736.pdf\">[GGW14]<\/a> J. Geelen, B. Gerards, G. Whittle, Solving Rota\u2019s conjecture, <em>Notices Amer. Math.<\/em> Soc. 61 (2014), 736\u2013743.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.jctb.2008.12.003\">[MNW09]<\/a> D. Mayhew, M. Newman, G. Whittle, On excluded minors for real representability, <em>J. Combin. Theory Ser. B<\/em> 99 (2009), 685\u2013689.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.aam.2019.101995\">[MNW21]<\/a> D. Mayhew, M. Newman, G. Whittle, Fractal classes of matroids, <em>Adv. in Appl. Math.<\/em> 126 (2021), 101995.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1112\/blms.12141\">[N18]<\/a> P. Nelson, Almost all matroids are nonrepresentable, <em>Bull. London Math. Soc.<\/em> 50 (2018), 245-248.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1016\/j.disc.2004.07.039\">[W05]<\/a> G. Whittle, Recent work in matroid representation theory, <em>Discrete Math.<\/em> 302 (2005), 285\u2013296.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>While a there have been remarkable techniques and discoveries for representability over finite fields (see [GGW14; W05] for a selection), not much has been said about representability over infinite fields &#8212; except perhaps how badly our existing techniques fail. 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