{"id":497,"date":"2013-12-02T00:01:24","date_gmt":"2013-12-02T05:01:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/matroidunion.org\/?p=497"},"modified":"2013-12-02T13:14:01","modified_gmt":"2013-12-02T18:14:01","slug":"growth-rates-iv","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/matroidunion.org\/?p=497","title":{"rendered":"Growth Rates IV"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\">$\\newcommand{\\elem}{\\varepsilon}$<br \/>\nTime for more growth rates. For a matroid $M$ we&#8217;ve looked at $\\elem(M)$, the number of points in $M$, as a simple density parameter that is bounded as a function of $\\ell$ and $r$ whenever we exclude $U_{2,\\ell+2}$ as a minor. Then, as a way to talk about density when excluding a uniform minor of larger rank than $2$, we generalised this to $\\tau_a(M)$, defined to be the number of rank-$a$ flats required to cover $\\elem(M)$, which turned out to be the right notion of density to think about when excluding a rank-$(a+1)$ uniform matroid as a minor. As far as excluding different uniform minors is concerned, $\\tau_a$ is the generalisation of $\\elem$ that we need. However, there is another natural way to generalise $\\elem(M)$ to &#8216;higher rank&#8217;, which is what this post is about.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">For a matroid $M$ and a nonnegative integer $k$, we let $W_k(M)$ denote the number of rank-$k$ flats in $M$. This parameter, known as the $k$th Whitney number of the second kind, is clearly of interest when thinking about the lattice of flats of $M$. A 1971 conjecture of Rota [R71] is that the sequence $W_0(M),W_1(M), \\dotsc, W_r(M)$ is unimodal; that is, that $W_k(M) \\ge \\min(W_{k-1}(M),W_{k+1}(M))$ for each $k$. From what I can see in the published literature, this conjecture is still open, although Huh, Katz and\u00a0Lenz [HK11,L11] have recently used sophisticated algebraic techniques to make real progress on similar conjectures in the representable case. In fact, Mason [M72] conjectured a few strengthenings of this conjecture; the first and weakest is that the sequence of Whitney numbers is log-concave (which is itself stronger than unimodality).<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">What I&#8217;m considering today relates more to previous posts than the above conjectures: bounding $W_k(M)$ above by a function of $\\ell$ and $r(M)$ when excluding a $U_{2,\\ell+2}$ (when excluding a larger uniform minor it is not hard to argue that no such bound is possible). This has quite a different flavour to the conjecture above; we know that in many ways excluding a uniform minor gives classes whose extremal members resemble projective geometries, so we&#8217;d hope that the bounds we get are similar or equal to those we get for geometries. The number of rank-$k$ flats in a geometry PG$(n-1,q)$ is a nice number which we denote ${n \\brack k}_q$. More explicitly,<br \/>\n\\[ W_k(\\mathrm{PG}(n-1,q) = {n \\brack k}_q = \\frac{(q^n-1)(q^{n-1}-1)\\dotsc(q^{n-k+1}-1)}{(q^k-1)(q^{k-1}-1)\\dotsc(q-1)}\\]<br \/>\nThis is known as the <em>Gaussian binomial coefficient\u00a0<\/em>for $n,k$ and $q$.\u00a0We already know by Kung&#8217;s theorem that a rank-$r$ matroid with no $U_{2,q+2}$-minor has at most ${r \\brack 1}_q = \\frac{q^r-1}{q-1}$ rank-$1$ flats. The natural generalisation of this statement was conjectured by Bonin:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Conjecture 1:<\/strong> If $q$ is a prime power and $M$ is a rank-$r$ matroid with no $U_{2,q+2}$-minor, then $W_k(M) \\le {r \\brack k}_q$ for each integer $k$.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Unfortunately, this conjecture is false &#8211; I&#8217;ll get to the counterexample in a minute. In [N13] I proved this conjecture whenever $r$ is large compared to $k$ and $q$. In fact, as with our generalisation of Kung&#8217;s theorem in our first post, I get the projective geometry bound for excluding an arbitrary rank-$2$ uniform minor, not just one corresponding to a prime power.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Theorem 1:<\/strong> For all integers $\\ell \\ge 2$ and $k \\ge 0$ there is an integer $r_0$ such that, if $M$ is a matroid with no $U_{2,\\ell+2}$-minor and $r(M) \\ge r_0$, then $W_k(M) \\le {r(M) \\brack k}_q$, where $q$ is the largest prime power not exceeding $\\ell$.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">It is good to know this. However, this theorem doesn&#8217;t tell us everything. For many reasons, it would be very nice to have a good upper bound on the number of hyperplanes of a matroid with no $U_{2,q+2}$-minor; the above theorem says nothing when $k = r-1$, only when $r$ is huge compared to $k$. One can obtain a crude upper bound on the number of hyperplanes by bounding the number of points and observing that each hyperplane is spanned by $r-1$ points, but this bound, roughly $q^{q^2}$, is likely dramatically wrong. <\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Conjecture 1 would imply that the correct upper bound for the number of hyperplanes when excluding $U_{2,q+2}$ is $\\frac{q^r-1}{q-1}$. I don&#8217;t have any good ideas for how to prove this, and in fact this is where the conjecture fails &#8211; the next theorem follows from a construction communicated to me by Blokhuis.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Theorem 2:<\/strong> For each prime power $q$ there is a rank-$3$ matroid $M_q$ with no $U_{2,2q}$-minor such that $W_2(M_q) = q^2 + (q+1)\\binom{q}{2}$.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">For large $q$, this is too many lines for Conjecture 1 to hold! There are issues with the precise numbers, but essentially Conjecture 1 would state that $W_2(M) \\le q^2 + q+ 1$ for any matroid $M$ with no $U_{2,q+2}$-minor; this is quadratic in $q$, but $W_2(M_q)$ is cubic in $q$. The factor of $2$ in the length of the line that $W_2(M_q)$ omits is unimportant in the face of this qualitative difference. It is fairly easy to use Theorem 2 to find counterexamples to Conjecture 1 for all $q \\ge 128$; Using a variation on the construction and a bit of work for small $q$, Jim and I [GN13] proved the following:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Theorem 3:<\/strong> When $r = 3$ and $k = 2$, Conjecture 1 holds if and only if $q \\le 5$. On the other hand, when $q \\in \\{2,3,4\\}$, and $k = 2$, Conjecture 1 holds for all $r$.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The first part of this is unfortunate, as Conjecture 1 is pretty. What I would hope is that the examples in Theorem 2 are a result of rank-$3$ sporadicity of the same sort that makes projective planes so hard to classify for finite geometers. It&#8217;s quite possible that Conjecture 1 holds for all $r \\ge 4$, but I would settle for the following.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Conjecture 2:<\/strong> For all $q$ there is an integer $r_0$ such that Conjecture 1 holds for $q$, all $k$ and all $r \\ge r_0$.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The difference between this statement and that of Theorem 1 is that there is no longer any dependence of $r_0$ on $k$; the above conjecture would give a sensible upper bound on the number of hyperplanes. It would also be very interesting to see what happens in even the smallest concrete rank-$4$ cases for which we don&#8217;t already have the answer:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Conjecture 3:<\/strong> Conjecture 1 holds for $r = 4, k = 3$ and $q = 3$.<br \/>\n<strong>Conjecture 4:<\/strong> Conjecture 1 holds for $r = 4, k = 2$ and $q = 7$.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Next time, I&#8217;ll be back talking about something other than growth rates. See you then!<\/p>\n<p><strong>References<\/strong><br \/>\n[GN13] J. Geelen, P. Nelson, <em>The number of lines in a matroid with no $U_{2,n}$-minor<\/em>, arXiv:1306.2387 [math.CO]<br \/>\n[HK11] J. Huh, E. Katz, <em>Log-concavity of characteristic polynomials and the Bergman fan of matroids<\/em>, arXiv:1104.2519 [math.CO]<br \/>\n[L11] M. Lenz, <em>Matroids and log-concavity<\/em>, arXiv:1106.2944 [math.CO]<br \/>\n[M72] J. H. Mason,\u00a0<em>Matroids: unimodal conjectures and Motzkin&#8217;s theorem.\u00a0<\/em>In\u00a0<em>Combinatorics <\/em>(eds. D. J. A. Welsh and D. R. Woodall), pp 207-220 (1972). Institute of Math. and its Applications, Southend-on-Sea. [15.2]<br \/>\n[N13] P. Nelson, <em>The number of rank-$k$ flats in a matroid with no $U_{2,n}$-minor,\u00a0<\/em>arXiv:1306.0531 [math.CO].<br \/>\n[R71] G.-C. Rota, <em>Combinatorial theory, old and new.<\/em> In <em>Proc. Internat. Cong. Math.&lt;<\/em>&gt; (Nice, 1970), pp. 229-233. Gauthier-Villars, Paris (1971). [6.0,6.5,14.0,15.2].<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>$\\newcommand{\\elem}{\\varepsilon}$ Time for more growth rates. 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